[Oriya-group] Oriya 'ba-phala' vs 'wa-phala' issue

[hrpansari at vsnl.net]

In Unicode 4.0 -Oriya 
0B2C 'BA'
0B35 'VA'
0B71 'WA' 
three differenct letters has encoded.

But generally peoples use only 0B2C (BA) for all.

This is manageable when a stand-alone consonant 'ba' or 'va' or 'wa' comes in a word, but creates lot of problem with conjuct-sounds and transliterated text to/fro other Scripts (Hindi, Other Indic... English etc..).

Therefore I had proposed to activate 
the 'wa-phala' (glyph index 296) also, 
which is already included in Oriya OT font UTKALM.TTF 
from begining by Mr. Andy White (ori1UniMed.TTF).

This discussion is in line of that thread.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gora Mohanty <gora_mohanty at yahoo.co.in>
Date: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Oriya-group] Rebati project font issues

> I am posting this to oriya-group. Please make all
> such discussions public in the future. 

> --- hrpansari at vsnl.net wrote: 
> > Presently for processing need the inclusion of glyph
> > substitution rules for 'wophala/vophala' also is
> > felt necessary. If you like, may differenctiate it
> > with 'bophala' by slighly bending more the
> > left-upside U-shaped turn. Or may use a 'bophala'
> > with dot inside as per Unicode 0B35.
> [...]
> 
> Pansaribabu, while the ja-phala vs. ya-phala issue
> hd a fair amount of consensus among linguists, I did
> not think that the above is anywhere near as widely
> accepted. Do ILEAP or Srilipi do this?
> 
> Regards,
> Gora

Please use 'za-phala', not 'ja-phala'. The issue was for 'za-phala' (0B4D+0B2F) not for 'ja-phala' (0B4D+0B1C). 

And everyone realised the fact that 'ya-phala' is 0B4D+0B5F.

In Ileap, Gist ... 'wophala' not used, but realised... they also tried to solve...issue perhaps pending...

In Srilipi ... lot of font in-compatibilty found among there different versions... no standardisation followed.

Other 8 bit fonts have much limitations... 

But Unicode OT has vast scope... other OR-OT drafts appears to include...
If we wait for their release, we have to follow them. If we have to include it, then the entire DATA has to be re-edited with extra manpower usage.

As everyone now realised. Quoting from your last mail :

> 'ya-phala' using halant + U0B5F, instead of halant + U0B2F as
> at present. Once this
>   is done, I will take care of converting the text
> that has already been entered.

As Rebati project's manpower is too limited, with a foresight I stress on this to avoid the apprehensive errors and duplicacy/triplicacy of jobs.

No any international linguist had avoided this fact. With a general commonsence everyone realise that :

swa = 0B38+0B4D+0B71, it never should be 0B38+0B4D+0B2C,i.e.=sba.
as in swaadhin, pakwa, svatva - should never be sbaadhin, pakba, sbatba.

mba = 0B2E+0B4D+0B2C, it never should be 0B2E+0B4D+0B71,i.e.=mwa.
as in Aamba, lambaa, - should never be Aamwa, lamwaa. 

Hariram Pansari
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