[Oriya-group] Re: [Indlinux-hindi] hindi dictionaries

[Hariram Pansari]

We used many Hindi dictionaries including Oxford
Hindi_English dictionary, Hindi Sabdasaagar, Hindi
Wiswakosh, Nalanda, National etc.

Most of them 
Uses the Sorting Order (= default of ISCII)
Chandrabindu < Anuswar < Visarga < अ <आ .... <औ
<
कँ < कं < कः < क < का < कि <
की < कु < कू < कृ < क+Vocalic RR <
क+Vocalic L ... < के < कै < को < कौ
...

This seems quite unscientific and against computer's
defualt/normal order and against common-sence.

Why the अँ अं अः kept at the begining?
Nobody could answered yet. Some one said "Perhaps due
to the Sanskrit OM character comes at the begining of
all the verses... so..." which is not satisfactory.

In this order कौ is treated as < क्
(ka+halant), which is totaly wrong. Computers default
also produces this wrong order (as halant has encoded
at last in ISCII/Unicode). How a absence/deletion of
vowel (sign) could be greater than the
consonant+vowel.

How a character with halant have a greater value than
the character without it?

When and how this mistake slipped in, no lexicons has
any answer.
-------------
Whereas the Old Sanskrit Dictionaries of Mr. APTE and
others uses अ < आ ... < औ < अँ < अं <
अः < क् < क < का .... < कौ < कँ
< कं < कः < क्क ...

Which is correct and right. It also fits right in
human commonsense.

This default sorting order of ISCII/Unicode creates
some unscientific/illogical and challenging problems
for Indic Languages.

A detailed report on this suject is being prepared and
will be submitted.

With regards.

Hariram Pansari


--- Divakar R <divakar_r at sancharnet.in> wrote:

> 
> On Friday 21 Jan 2005 09:54, raviratlami wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >  As of now we dont have a clear picture of Hindi
> sort ordering, though
> > > there is a default available which is as per
> ISCII/unicode code
> > > points, which maybe be sufficient for some
> purposes, but would be
> > > better if we can get which are the most
> popularly followed Hindi
> > > dictionaries, and know if there variations in
> sort order between
> > > different hindi dictionaries. this call is esp.
> for those living in
> > > Hindi belt / or have access to a Hindi
> dictionary.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Karunakar
> >
> >
> 
> I have Bhargava's Standard Illustrated Dictionary of
> the Hindi Language (Hindi 
> - English Edition), Compiled and Edited by Prof R C
> Pathak, Published by 
> Bhargava Book Depot, Varanasi, 5/e, Reprint 1993.
> 
> Under the heading "Syllabic arrangement of words in
> the dictionary" it says:
> 
> " ... words have been arranged alphabetically, i.e.
> firstly the vowels (from अ 
> to औ)and then the consonants (from क to ह).
> Among the vowels, the first 
> syllable 'अ' begins with a nasal sign
> (अनुस्वार) ... and the words have
> been 
> arranged in this order. ... the same method has been
> adopted for arranging 
> the words originated from all other vowels,
> consonants and their component 
> words ..."
> 
> For युग्म akshar, e.g., ksh is considered
> as k + sh, and is ordered according 
> to the first consonant. 
> 
> I hope the devanagari in the above is reproduced
> properly. I could post a 
> scanned copy if you feel the need since my hindi
> typing is not good.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Divakar
> 



		
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