[Oriya-group] Re: [Orissa-IT] Re: Oriya conjucts with 'ya' and 'ba' and 'wa'

[hrpansari at vsnl.net]

----- Original Message -----
From: subhransu behera <arya_subhransu at yahoo.co.in>
Date: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:58 pm

>  The confusion seems to be cleared now 
> 
> I was also thinking the same. But I just needed a confirmation for 
> the same. Regarding the 'ya' phala we will change it to ya = U+0B5F

Thanks, this may please be implimented early in Utkal, Samyak, Raghu all OT fonts, so that present flow of Oriya localisation/content creation can be expedited. Updated fonts may kindly be released soon.


> But regarding 'wa' phala I will suggest it to keep as wa = U+0B71. 
> As va = U+0B35 may sometime may create a confusion between ba = 
> U+0B2C. As a majority of people are comfortable with wa = U+0B71. 
> And va is also not included in the inscript layout currently. But 
> it is not a big problem. Till I think that to avoid the confusion 
> in later cicumstance we should keep it as wa.

But as it is already encoded in Unicode, U+0B35 also must be kept for purpose of advanced lexical, NLP, Transliteration from other languages.

 
> Beside that I just want to discuss about one problem that I 
> noticed earlier. Combination of wa with any dependant vowel sign 
> generates a rendering problem. I am typing two three words for 
> example:

> > ନେଟୱାର୍କ (network) 
> > ୱେବ (web) 
> > ୱିଣ୍ଡୋ (window) 

As :
maatraa = Dependent Vowel

In my view the simple solve is:
Same Glyph substitution, and glyph positioning rules for U+0B71 are to be set in OT font, which are set for U+0B2C, where it is followed by dependent vowels.


> So, I think we have to define individual rules for 'wa' phala. The 
> common rule of combining dependant vowel is not working here.

As
Phalaa = Dependent Consonant

In my view the simple solve is:
for this separate 'ba'-phalaa and 'wa'-phalaa are created and placed in Original Oriya OT for developed by Mr. Andy White. The shape of 'ba'-phalaa and 'wa'-phalaa was rightly set almost same, only difference is a small dot inside the 'wa'-phalla, which was rarely visible. 

As presently the most necessary part of development is that 
a most suitable harmony must be kept between 
- the tradtional form users display
and
- technical needs for Internal processing of Computer

Same Glyph substitution, and glyph positioning rules for U+0B71 may be set in OT font, which are set for U+0B2C, but it is rarely followed by any dependent consonant. (I found no such example).

Therefore 
by this people will find same traditional rendering output with 
halant+ba (U+0B4D+0B2C) for 'Amba'
and 
halant+wa (U+0B4D+0B71) for 'Swara'

and 
Comupter's Internal processing will deal/store/process both separetely.

There will be "no objection" at any level. Everyone will be pleased and prosper.

> The Unicode.org also clarified it at :
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orissa-IT/links/Oriya Unicode3
> This link doesn't contain any information. May be the file is missing.

The right link is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orissa-IT/links/Oriya_Unicode_conjunct_rules

or first goto

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Orissa-IT/links/
then find "Oriya_Unicode_conjunct_rules"

With regards.

Hariram